Tuesday, January 16 2018 07:29 pm

More on the Iran elections/protests…

Hey there again,

I was thinking more about Iran, reading up on a lot of different articles from many different news sources, and I want to clarify a few things…

I really do admire the Iranian progressives for what they are doing, even though I believe what they are fighting for is to overturn an election result that they simply do not agree with.  I am not claiming that there was NO election fraud.  How many elections in our own country have been spotless, and absolutely devoid of any funny business?  I think that while America seems to be a benchmark in how democracies can be run, we’re also a prime example of how concepts like “freedom, liberty, democracy” get mangled up and bastardized by the powerful.

What these mostly young, urban progressives are doing is admirable, fighting religious oppression, demanding the ability to make their own choices in their lives instead of following an aged and, in their minds, obsolete, hierarchy.  Imagine, however, if the right-wingers in this country decided to drop everything and take to the streets because they don’t want Obama as president.  Not that they aren’t doing that on Faux news anyway… I mean, political attacks and character assassinations don’t have to come in the form of personal confrontation, and that right-wing machine that is in place knows they don’t have to lift a damn finger to play into the fears and predjudices of their rabid followers.

In Iran, being who I am, I would probably be supporting the anti-establishment movement, but let’s get something straight – Mousavi is not exactly a progressive in all the ways that Americans see progressivism.  He did help to overthrow the monarchy (yes, and a lot of good that did, right?) in the Islamic Revolution, and that’s all well and good – it makes him a prime candidate to be held up as a revolutionary, which he certainly was back in the 80′s… the results are arguable.  Overthrowing the monarchy put more power into the hands of politicians, which, as just about every story of political revolution goes, ended up giving another small group of people a vast sense of entitlement on how the government should be run, ending in yet another regime of some sort that doesn’t seem to care much at all about the will of the people.

Today, obviously, the political landscape is different than it was in the 80′s.  Iran has one of the youngest voting populations in the world.  More people are getting college degrees, more people are living in the cities.  Despite all this, the fact of the matter is that most voters are rural, poor conservatives.  The very admirable, very vocal minority of progressive Iranians, are still outnumbered nearly 2 to 1.

The problem now isn’t who they will elect – that has already been decided and I highly doubt that it will be overturned – but how, now, do they calm things down and get back to business-as-usual?  There is a huge information gap in Iran.  HUGE.  The same goes for disinformation.  With the advent of the internet we are all subject to information overload and we have to parse it.  With SO MUCH information, and disinformation out there, how does one aptly do that?  The Iranians with access to computers are flooding social networking sites.  Western media has an interest in propogating the angle of the progressives.  I have addressed this in my previous blog post, but it is worth re-iterating: One of the biggest issues in this election was the privatization of Iranian oil.  The rural Iranians basically have ZERO to benefit from this, while the urban populations would see more jobs, more development, more advancement in their eyes.

While I, as a semi-urbanite, on the surface, think “why don’t all Iranians want modernization?”  That obviously has to do with my American predjudice.  Modernization doesn’t mean progress for everyone, and THAT is the thing that everyone needs to keep in mind. There is a very real difference of philosophy between rural and urban Iranians, and that the election results reflected that divide.

I seriously hope that a peaceful resolution can be had at this point.  Mousavi is certainly not trying to calm things down, he is actively encouraging the protests, and the pot seems to be boiling steadily hotter.  How long until it truly boils over?  By all indications, it really does seem as though Iran is on the verge of a major conflict.  It would be extremely unfortunate, to say the least, if a nation-wide firestorm is ignited simply because a vocal minority does not agree with the results.  Mousavi is certainly playing his power cards right now, fanning the flames of what he feels could be a revolution in his favor.



15 Responses to “More on the Iran elections/protests…”

  1. gatekeeper Says:

    Sun, 06/21/2009 – 21:16 — mgmyers (From Twitter)

    Twitter is not a balanced source. It doesn’t accept Farsi, which is the only language of most Iranians. Therefore we are reading self-selected sources, people with education (i.e. children of businessmen) and not the poor who support Ahmadinejad. We seem to have forgotten that Ahmadinejad got elected popularly by the poor, because he promised to help them. His economic policies have been geared to the poor and not the rich, so the wealthy (just like in Venezuela and Cuba) want him out at any cost, and they are being backed in this effort by US covert actions.

  2. gatekeeper Says:

    “No longer about the
    Mon, 06/22/2009 – 03:50 — Mike in NYC (From Twitter)

    “No longer about the election.” It never was. It’s about US-sponsored forces trying to overthrow a government the US doesn’t like. The Western left is behind the “resistance” because they desperately want a notch in Obama’s belt. Really, folks, you’ve been had. Big time.

  3. gatekeeper Says:

    Mon, 06/22/2009 – 08:02 — Anonymous (From Twitter)

    Remember, “social engineering” is just another word for propaganda! Twittering yuppies on a rampage because they didn’t win. I bet the countryside majority never heard of a twitter, but won nonetheless. This has CIA written all over it, sorry.

  4. gatekeeper Says:

    Here is an article from the UK’s Guardian, “Wishful Thinking From Tehran”:


    It covers a lot of what I have been posting regarding the urban vs. rural issue, etc…

  5. gatekeeper Says:

    A somewhat disturbing, yet, extremely informative article about the CIA’s role in a massive disinformation campaign in Iran:


  6. gatekeeper Says:

    If anything, the CIA’s use of social networking sites proves that propaganda is alive and well — it just comes in increasingly insidious forms as our vehicles of information (global networks) become more complex and efficient.

    If attacking Iran isn’t popular, shake things up covertly & see what happens. It certainly seems to be going in their (the US government/CIA) favor, as, Iran appears as though it could be on the brink of a revolution – one that likely would benefit US Corporate interests via Iranian oil deregulation, and political interests – as it would seem to favor a more pro-western/pro industrialist wing.

  7. gatekeeper Says:

    Seeing even my favorite T.V. hosts buy the Iran story hook-line-and-sinker really disappoints me. I suppose spouting the party line comes in a lot of different forms, even “uber cool political talk show hosts” making fun and scoffing at the establishment, while being an unwitting (maybe not-so-unwitting???) conduit for the dissemination of the establishment’s propaganda.

    Color me disillusioned.

  8. gatekeeper Says:

    On The Daily Show this week, Maz Jobrani from The Daily Beast says, (paraphrased) “At this point it’s not about the election.”

  9. mysticmuse Says:



  10. gatekeeper Says:

    Nature of the beast. If you wish to understand the methods of manipulation by those in power, you sort of have to wade through the muddy waters of politics. One of the things I try to rise above, but I’m still passionate about it – about trying to delve beneath the surface in an attempt to understand the nature of power. I have no interest in it other than from the standpoint of – it’s better to at least attempt to be informed, in my own way, rather than remain completely ignorant of the establishment’s intentions.

  11. mysticmuse Says:

    Dear Gatekeeper…

    I apologize for being so flip.
    I recognize your sincerity, and your devotion.
    I also recognize that our government has been messin ’round
    with everybody’s shit for a long long long time.
    I will get back soon….
    For now, I am busy processing a lot of stuff …..
    And I know that this is an interesting time for
    you and Zen, what with the GAP and all that.

    It is what it is, and it’s ok.

  12. mysticmuse Says:

    Sorry….I’m a woman

    No….I”m not sorry……

  13. gatekeeper Says:

    Well, I’m a bit confused but so you know I never expected or even thought about you apologizing for your views, my post was not an attack, but an explanation of one of the many things that drive me. Now, whether or not that has to do with me being a man – I’m not sure, I know plenty of women who are even more rabid about these sorts of issues than I am.

    You don’t have to apologize for who you are or what you believe. And we don’t always have to agree, either.

  14. mysticmuse Says:

    Hello Gatekeeper…

    Just a little clarity on my comments….
    …….I do appreciate your explanations, and will likely agree with
    your analysis, once I am in the space to read it all.

    I was not apologizing for my feelings, I apologized for Being Flip
    about something you care deeply.

    When I said ‘sorry, I’m a woman’…..the ‘sorry’ was a commonly
    used term, not really an apology.

    It meant I was in a soft place, and into my feelings.

    And one last thing….I know we dont’ have to agree.

    Does this take away some of the confusion?

    Hope so…..Take Care and Peace!………….MysticMuse

  15. gatekeeper Says:

    Makes sense. Without the face-to-face it’s sometimes difficult to gather the context… in the text… heh

    Thanks for the clarification! I completely understand. I go through ebbs and flows of going inward and outward. It’s only natural.

    Take it easy!


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